I added several hundred images November 4, 2011. Enjoy...
SECTIONS: 1- Camp Pendleton, CA (May 1979 - Dec 1980) 2- Okinawa, Japan (Dec 1980 - Dec 1981) 3- Camp LeJeune, NC (Dec 1981 - May 1983 4- Fort Pickett, VA ( Late 1982 give or take...)
The images on this site were taken while I served in the Marine Corps from 1979 to 1983. They are predominately from my three major duty stations: Camp Pendleton, CA; Camp Schwab, Okinawa; Camp LeJeune, NC. During that time I served as an 1833 (AmTrac Crewman), 0431 (Embarkation NCO) and also went to Jeep four-wheel drive school, PMI (Primary Marksmanship Instructor) school and served at Company Clerk for a time while at Courthouse Bay in Camp LeJeune. I bought my first camera because I wanted to show my friends back home what I was doing and what life in the Marines was like. I began shooting subjects that were documentary in nature. Pictures of lockers, heads, daily activities etc. While I had no technical knowledge about photography such as composition, exposure, depth of field etc, I did manage to come up with some interesting images. Remember, while almost everyone has a little digital camera with them now in the early 1980's, cameras were not terribly common. These early experiences lead me to pursue photography when I was discharged. I went to Eastern Connecticut State University for two years where I enrolled in every possible photography course and even taught an internship in black and white photography. In 1985, I transferred to Syracuse University where I majored in Photojournalism and the Newhouse School before switching to the College of Visual and Performing Arts. I earned a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in Photography in 1988. I've worked as a photojournalist for eight years as both a newspaper staffer and freelancer. Some of my employers and clients included the Boston Herald, Boston Globe, Quincy Patriot Ledger, New Britain Herald and the Associated Press. All these years I have kept the original negatives from my Marine Corps days and have now scanned them in my new Nikon Super Coolscan 5000ED at full resolution. I want to share them with anyone who has an interest in those days. There are many photographs of people I no longer know. There are friends with whom I have lost touch. It is my hope that these images will rekindle personal memories as well as lead to reestablishing friendships that are long lost. When looking at the photographs, if you see yourself or someone you know, let me know. Also, pass the link to this site to anyone you think might enjoy these images. -Semper Fi. Equipment Used:
My camera was a used Canon AT-1, the fully manual version of the famed AE-1. I bought it used from a Marine in "C" company, 3rd AABN, Del Mar. The AT-1 was simple to use and came with a standard 50/f1.8. I bought a generic telephoto zoom lens which was very cheap. I didn't yet understand about glass quality... I also used some cheap generic flash. I used to put all my equipment in a gas mask carrying case instead of a camera bag. This way, nobody bothered me about having my equipment... It was nice and stealthy. I did get asked several times why I always carried a gas mask. Was I afraid of getting gassed? Hehehehehe...
You are free to save and print these images for personal use and enjoyment. You may make no profit from these images and may not repost anywhere online without permission (which will likely be given if asked for...) If you would like a high resolution file for printing shoot me an email!
-- AmericanJarhead (aka: Cris)
PS: Please sign the GUEST BOOK, comment and/or email if you have additional information on any image such as names, places etc. SEMPER FI!
Email me if you like at: americanjarhead AT gmail DOT com
richard, demmick, gary, ritz, roger, koko, camp pendleton, del mar, delmar, marines, usmc, jarheads, lejeune, le jeune, camp schwab, henoko, japan, amtrac, lvtp7, lvt, lst, lsd, m151, 3rd aabn, assault amphibian battalion, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, semper fi
Date(s): May 1979 to May 1983. Album by Cris Yarborough. Photos by Cris Yarborough. 1 - 530 of 530 Total. 115031 Visits.
enlarge 124KB, 1024x768 1 1024 PENDLETON
enlarge 252KB, 1024x671 2 TWO UNK MARINES DELMAR URINAL 1024 These guys and I were at a beach party where the beer and burgers were provided by the Company. I can't remember the reason for the party. "I served with the the taller guy...h..." View Comments...
enlarge 224KB, 1024x672 4 SQDBAY SINKS DELMAR 1024 The 1st floor sinks in "C" Company northern squadbay at Del Mar, Camp Pendleton.
enlarge 312KB, 703x1024 5 RADIOMAN RANGE 1024 Radioman at the .50 cal machine gun range, Camp Pendleton.
enlarge 179KB, 1024x671 6 TICKET GOING TO RIFLE QUAL 1980 1024 We were heading to the rifle range when the MP's pulled us over to having too many people in the back of the Dodge Ram pickup (known as an M880).
enlarge 335KB, 1024x545 7 TARAWA AND LSD OFF SOCAL 79 1024
enlarge 208KB, 1024x557 8 TANK SKYLINED CP 1024
enlarge 242KB, 1024x662 9 SANCHEZ IN SQDBAY DELMAR 1979 1024 I like this shot of, I believe, Victor Sanchez in the squadbay at Del Mar. I wish I could find him so I could get this picture to him. Pretty cool portrait.
enlarge 179KB, 1024x684 11 RICHARD DEMMICK DELMAR SQDBAY 1024
enlarge 236KB, 1024x666 12 SHIPS AT SEA SUNSET GUN 1024 I have this one enlarged and framed at my desk at work. This was off Camp Pendleton.
enlarge 383KB, 1023x1024 13 SUNSET SHIPS 1024
enlarge 296KB, 1024x670 14 PMI CLASS AT CAMP PENDLETON 1024
enlarge 297KB, 1024x669 15 OUTSIDE SQD BAY W MOPS 1024 Those string mops were far from efficient cleaning tools. Probably just moved the germs around... I remember when I first arrived there from boot camp they made us field day well into the night and we were all pissed at missing our night out in Oceanside.
enlarge 189KB, 673x1024 16 NAVY CORPSMAN AT BEQ 1979 1024 This was one of the Corpsman which was with our Company. This would have been in late 1980 as we had just moved into the new BEQ.
enlarge 180KB, 1024x675 17 NATIVE AMERICAN MARINE DEL MAR 1024 Waiting for the bus outside the "C" Company squadbay, Del Mar. "Ernie Madplume from Browning Montana..." View Comments...
enlarge 244KB, 1024x670 18 OFFICIAL PARTY ON BEACH DEL MAR 1024 The beach party where the restroom urinal shot at the beginning of the gallery was taken.
enlarge 235KB, 1024x669 19 OFFICIAL PARTY ON BEACH DEL MAR 3 1024 Same party as previous pic
enlarge 258KB, 1024x668 20 OFFICIAL PARTY ON BEACH DEL MAR 2 1024 Ditto
enlarge 297KB, 1024x581 21 OE2 VIEW AGAIN 1024
enlarge 221KB, 1024x452 22 OE2 SIDE SHOT 1024
enlarge 264KB, 1024x670 23 MY RECORDS POST THEFT 1024 My meager assortment of records at the BEQ at Del Mar. I was a member of the Columbia Record Club and would get regular shipments of vinyl while stationed there.
enlarge 313KB, 1024x667 24 SAE IN BEQ BEFORE THEFT 1980 I bought the SAE II Integrated Amp and Tuner in Oceanside along with 4 Advent Loudspeaker and ran then in the famous 'stacked' configuration. This system would play loud and crisp and accurate. Friends would come to our room and we'd play at earsplitting levels. Once at lunch we cranked the tunes so loud I got in trouble and had to clean the Company Office for a week straight. http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?1308-The-12-Most-Significant-Loudspeakers-of-All-Time
enlarge 264KB, 1024x679 25 MY JEEP AT BASE HOSPITAL 1024 In early 1980 the powers-that-be decided to send me to Four Wheel Drive School to become the CO's Jeep driver. I enjoyed the school and got real easy duty for the next three or four months...
enlarge 285KB, 1024x662 26 MY BOOTS 1024
enlarge 193KB, 1024x670 27 MR SERIOUS FACE W JEEP 1024 I don't remember the name of the guy in the back of the Jeep but he was being taken to the brig for some offense.
enlarge 231KB, 1024x670 28 MARINE ON PHONE C CO DELMAR 1024
enlarge 237KB, 1024x538 29 NAVY LANDING OPERATIONS 1024
enlarge 301KB, 1024x571 30 NAVY DUCK BOATS 1024 I would love to have one of these...
enlarge 159KB, 1024x669 31 MARINE ON THE RAMP DELMAR 1979 1024 Just a scene from the ramp at Del Mar. "The marines name Posnik, I served wi..." "I was there in 1979 until 1981 on th..." "I was there!! I was Crew chief on B-..." View Comments...
enlarge 231KB, 1024x678 32 MY TAPES W FILM 1980 1024 These were the cassettes that I had at the time, 1979-1980. I probably played Brian Eno "Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy" tape the most...
enlarge 248KB, 1024x667 33 MARINE ON MATTRESSES 1024 My roommate at the time. I forgot his name. He used to play bass and we downed more than a few beers.
enlarge 236KB, 1024x669 34 MARINE ON MATTRESS EATING SHOE 1024 And running shoes?
enlarge 233KB, 1024x671 36 NCO ON THE PHONE 1024 This was some guy in the fire watch room, 1st floor center at "C" Company, Del Mar.
enlarge 270KB, 1024x729 37 OE2 ALONG SIDE LST 1024
enlarge 243KB, 1024x669 38 NAP TIME ON TOP OF LVTP IN LST 1024
enlarge 214KB, 1024x673 39 MY JEEP PENDLETON 1024 The M151 that I drove for the CO on any given day. I used to make runs all over Camp Pendleton.
enlarge 187KB, 1024x670 40 MARINES TALKING IN JEEP DELMAR 1024 Some guy getting hauled off to the brig from "C" Company... I wasn't driving that day...
enlarge 201KB, 1024x671 41 MARINES ON BEQ 2ND FLOOR DELMAR 1024 Del Mar BEQ facing south. "OMG There was grass back then! We ha..." View Comments...
enlarge 248KB, 1024x671 42 MARINES CARS FROM BEQ 1024 View from the BEQ at Del Mar.
enlarge 219KB, 670x1024 43 MARINE IN SQUADBAY DEL MAR 1024
enlarge 251KB, 1024x668 44 MARINE IN DELMAR SQDBAY RED SHRT 1024
enlarge 226KB, 1024x662 45 MARINE DRAWING IN SQDBAY DELMAR 1024
enlarge 226KB, 1024x668 46 SHIP INTO SUNSET 1024
enlarge 252KB, 1024x669 47 MARINE DIGGING IN LOCKER 1024
enlarge 209KB, 671x1024 48 MARINE W MY BASS DELMAR 1980 1024 My Peavey bass guitar which I had for a very short time prior to heading over to Okinawa in December 1980. I think I sold it to another Marine but the memory is very foggy...
enlarge 236KB, 1024x674 49 SQDBAY DELMAR LOCKER 1024 "This was me t my locker 1979 camp de..." View Comments...
enlarge 217KB, 1024x672 50 VEHICLES OUTSDIE C CO DELMAR 1024 This guy is Ramon (last name unk) climbing out of his Camaro in front of the "C" Company sqaudbay.
enlarge 178KB, 1024x704 51 MARINE READS AT PMI SCHOOL CP 1024
enlarge 182KB, 1024x671 52 MARINE READING IN BEQ MESS 1024
enlarge 224KB, 1024x669 53 MAINTENANCE GUY EATS 1024
enlarge 325KB, 1024x688 54 MY HONDA 400 DEL MAR 2 1024 I bought this used Honda 400 and took it all over SoCal for six months or so until I went to Okinawa. I sold it to another Marine when I left for about the same I paid, $700.
enlarge 479KB, 758x1024 55 YARBZ W M16 IN FIELD CP 1024
enlarge 306KB, 1024x662 56 MY HONDA 400 AT DEL MAR 1024
enlarge 237KB, 1024x585 57 MARINES AT DELMAR PARTY 1024
enlarge 250KB, 1024x669 58 NCO ON DUTY C CO REC ROOM DELMAR 1024
enlarge 236KB, 1024x670 59 WALKING AN LVTP7 OUT DELMAR 1024
enlarge 200KB, 1024x670 60 MARINE ON MATTRESS DELMAR 1024
enlarge 228KB, 1024x676 61 MARINE LOOKING BACK ON SHIP 1024
enlarge 244KB, 1024x668 72 YARBZ COM HELMET 1024 Wearing the com helmet without the liner...
enlarge 145KB, 1024x666 73 VIEW OF LOCKERS AND BUNKS SQDBAY 1024 One of the Marines in our Squadbay breaks out his little speakers and tried to make a little place of his own. (Not possible...)
enlarge 348KB, 668x1024 74 TURRET HYDROLICS LVTP7 1024 We had leaks a lot and I hope they fixed this problem sometime in the 30 plus years since I was in... "Yes they actually did. The entire we..." "Served 1979-1983, We kept a screwdri..." View Comments...
enlarge 287KB, 1024x573 75 MY FEET BEACH DELMAR 1024
enlarge 264KB, 1024x674 76 MARINE IN AMTRACK 1024
enlarge 237KB, 1024x671 77 MARINES IN BUS CP 1024 The green interior of the bus was color coordinated with the interior of most everything else in the Corps at that time. I don't think I have painted anything in our house that color...or have I?
enlarge 219KB, 1024x670 78 MARINES HANGING IN SQDBAY DELMAR 1024
enlarge 168KB, 1024x648 79 MARINE WALKING TO LVTP7s DELMAR 1024 Gunny Alexander on the 'ramp' at Del Mar sometime in 1979 or 80. "This is Gunny Alexander from Arkansa..." "Gunny Alexander was my PlT Commander..." View Comments...
enlarge 244KB, 1024x492 80 MORNING MESS HALL LINE DELMAR 1024 Marines lining up for some orange color SOS at the Del Mar chow hall in the early morning... 1979/80
enlarge 338KB, 1024x660 81 MARINE SITS ON LVTP7 IN LST 1024
enlarge 238KB, 1024x669 82 MARINE OUTSIDE C CO DELMAR 1024
enlarge 164KB, 1024x656 83 VIEW OF THE RAMP DELMAR 2 1024
enlarge 232KB, 1024x663 84 MARINES ON RAMP OF SOCAL 1024 When we were stuck in the bowels of an LST it was great when they dropped the ramp and allowed some fresh air and sunlight. I don't remember what part of SoCal that is...
enlarge 250KB, 1024x672 85 MARINES ON LVTP RAMP 1024
enlarge 260KB, 1024x643 86 MARINES ON LST OF SAN DIEGO 1024
enlarge 362KB, 1024x671 87 MY M16 DURING PMI CLASS 1024 Taken while 'snapping in' at PMI School (Primary Marksmanship Instructor School). I got my teaching MOS and never taught... I think this was before I was sent to 4-wheel drive school and made CO Drive. I might have that backwards though...
enlarge 273KB, 1024x677 88 MY JEEP CONTROLS 1024 This Jeep (M151) was scary at any speed over 35 or 40. No frills with canvas pads over metal spring seats, it was not a Hummer but was smaller and probably more fun. No, we didn't get 'up armored'... :-)
enlarge 271KB, 1024x669 89 M60 MACHINE GUN RANGE 2 1024 Firing the M60 machine gun at Pendleton was fun but the .50 cal turret in our LVTP-7 was far far more fun.
enlarge 183KB, 1024x631 90 MALL SCENE CA 1024 I'll bet that there's very little open space around here now... This was Oceanside in 1979.
enlarge 170KB, 1024x617 91 MARINE CORPS EXCHANGE 1979 80 1024 This was one of the Gunny's for one of "C" Company's platoons. I cannot remember his name...
enlarge 246KB, 1024x670 92 M60 MACHINE GUN RANGE 1 1024
enlarge 160KB, 1024x672 93 M60 TANK WITH LEAVES 1024 A nice meaty looking M 60 tank somewhere on Camp Pendleton 1979/80...
enlarge 172KB, 1024x670 94 LVTPS RAMPS ON SAND 1024 We could certainly mess up the sand... Here, we're lined up facing the beach prior to heading out to an LST. Hurry up and wait is not an over used cliche...
enlarge 303KB, 1024x670 95 LVTPY GRITTY FLOOR W THING 1024 Something on the deck plates of out LVTP-7. I still shoot pictures like this...
enlarge 225KB, 1024x670 96 M203 RANGE EXPLOSION 1024 The M203 Grenade Launcher was fun and we actually did pretty well at hitting those targets.
enlarge 153KB, 1024x428 97 LVTP7 OFF SO CAL 1024 Off San Diego's shore...
enlarge 271KB, 1024x655 98 USMC057 INSIDE BELLY OF LST 1980 Marines in the belly of an LST circa 1979.
enlarge 218KB, 1024x622 99 LVTP7 PARKED OVER TANKS AREA 1024
enlarge 162KB, 1024x670 100 LVTP7 RADIO AREA 1024 Detail shot of the radio gear. Just looking at this brings back memories and I can feel the cold steel and aluminum. "RT-246, R-442, R-442, RT-524.
How..." View Comments...
enlarge 176KB, 1024x671 101 LVTP7 TEST NEWER VERSION DEL MAR 1024 While I was at Del Mar, there was a platoon of trackers who were charged with testing the newer version of the LVT7. I forgot what the changes were to be but I believe a faster non diesel power plant was the big change.
enlarge 129KB, 1024x661 102 LVTP7 THROUGH 50 CAL SITE 1024 On the ramp at Del Mar I shot this through the turret's .50 cal sight.
enlarge 220KB, 1024x666 103 LVTP7 W 3 TANKS CAMP PEND 1024 Defensive positions during some exercise at Camp Pendleton. At this time I was part of the crew on the LVTP-7. This was preferable to the M151 (Jeep) that I drove for the CO. However, I hated ramp days where we just scrub and wash and wire brush nuts and bolts for hours on end, day after day. When we were in the field it was great.
enlarge 157KB, 1024x671 104 LVTP7 W RUT 1024 Lovely dusty rutty scrubby Camp Pendleton at dusk 1979.
enlarge 271KB, 1024x671 105 LVTP7s IN FIELD CP EATING 1024
enlarge 179KB, 1024x669 106 LVTP7S IN FIELD PENDLETON 1024 We tore up a good amount to scrub brush to hide ourselves... I remember the smell of the field still.
enlarge 145KB, 1024x670 107 LVTP7S IN FIELD PENDLETON 2 1024 'Hidden' Amtracs but a white towel to make it all for naught...
enlarge 208KB, 1024x566 108 LVTP7S IN THE FILED 3 1024
enlarge 129KB, 1024x670 109 LVTP7S LINED UP AT CAMP PEND 1979 1024
enlarge 211KB, 1024x669 111 LVTP7s STAGED 1024 At Del Mar waiting yet again to storm the ocean... I loved crashing through the incoming breakers...
enlarge 111KB, 1024x584 112 LVTP7s STAGED BACK 1024
enlarge 119KB, 1024x674 113 LVTP7s WAITING TO DRIVE ON BEACH 1024
enlarge 159KB, 1024x704 114 LVTPT UP THE LST RAMP 1024 Going up the ramp of an LST could be a bit scary. If the ship was bobbing a lot you had to time it just right get over the ramp while on the low part of the bobbing. If you were half on and half off the ramp would come to the surface and basically knock you off and into the water sideways. This could be fatal for all the crew and passengers.
enlarge 141KB, 1024x624 115 LST SIDE VIEW 1024 An LST with the ramp seen on the stern. It was not a big target when you were trying to get on the thing... All these LST's were sold to other countries and are no longer.
enlarge 180KB, 1024x672 116 UNK IN M151 DEL MAR RAMP 1024 One of the other Jeep drivers...
enlarge 185KB, 1024x600 117 LSTP7s AT SEA 1024 An Alpha Company Amtrac off Pendleton 1979/80
enlarge 173KB, 1024x574 118 LSTS OF PENDLETON 1024 2 LST's off San Diego.
enlarge 211KB, 1024x669 119 PMI BARRACKS SNACK CP Fritos and Bean Dip with me on the left. This is in the barracks at PMI School which was over near the main side PX and Commissary. I don't remember the guy with me... Anyone? "Is there ha Tim beacher?" View Comments...
enlarge 295KB, 669x1024 120 SHIPS FLAGS
enlarge 288KB, 1024x667 121 MIKE IN SQDBAY RACK
enlarge 415KB, 1024x779 122 SQDBAY DRINKING DELMAR 3 Drinking in the squadbay was an 'Office Hours' offense. I was busted with them at one of these impromptu parties. I do not remember if this was the one or not.
enlarge 238KB, 1024x579 123 TRACKS AND TRUCKS PENDLETON
enlarge 277KB, 1024x667 124 TRACKS ON RAMP
enlarge 369KB, 1024x635 125 TRACKS ON THE HILLS PENDLETON 1024 LVT's dispersed around Camp Pendleton. We all wore the old flak jackets like the guy in the foreground.
enlarge 223KB, 1024x669 126 UNK SGT ON RAMP DELAMR
enlarge 234KB, 1024x585 127 VIEW FROM 2ND FLOOR BEQ DELMAR
enlarge 234KB, 1024x586 128 VIEW FROM BEQ CAMP PENDLETON This is the view from the BEQ on Del Mar. I think this is the only picture I have of my 1970 Chevy Chevelle with white vinyl top. It was a four-speed manual and I sold it when I went to Okinawa.
enlarge 224KB, 1024x612 129 VIEW FROM PMI CLASSROOM CP
enlarge 241KB, 1024x484 130 VIEW OF DELMAR BAY 2
enlarge 268KB, 1024x593 131 VIEW OF DELMAR BAY
enlarge 257KB, 1024x692 132 YARBZ AND HARDY IN SQDBAY DELMAR
enlarge 224KB, 1024x670 133 YARBZ AND DEMMICK DELMAR BEACH
enlarge 268KB, 1024x672 134 YARBZ AND MARINE TAN SQDBAY DELAMR "The guy on left is Dave somthing we ..." View Comments...
enlarge 266KB, 1024x638 135 YARBZ DELMAR W RAMP BEHND
enlarge 210KB, 1024x668 136 YARBZ EVANS AND HARDY IN SQDBAY DELAMR
enlarge 201KB, 1024x629 137 YARBZ GASMASK TURRET
enlarge 287KB, 1024x664 138 YARBZ GRAINY SQDBAY
enlarge 238KB, 1024x675 139 YARBZ W SOME FINGER DUDE 1979
enlarge 156KB, 1024x668 140 LT AND MARINES ON SHIP 1979 1024
enlarge 272KB, 1024x667 324 FOUR MARINES OKI BEACH PARTY 1024 "The guy in the orange hat is none ot..." "i remember luis. good buddy, took a ..." View Comments...
enlarge 297KB, 1024x649 325 STEAM BATH FUJI SNACK HENOKO 1024 "Yes sir, MANY times(that I can remem..." "The old "steam & cream". I..." "LOL "Steam & Cream" Well ..." "I lived upstairs in an apartment 198..." "was in there during a minor earth qu..." "I remember many FUN nights there dur..." "My Wife and I had an apartment upsta..." View Comments...
enlarge 257KB, 1024x671 326 HENOKO CITY STREET W CLUBS 1024 "Holy Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw the ca..." "I was with Tanks in Oki in 1980, I'v..." "i was just thinking of downtown Heno..." "Club Prince was the Rock & Roll Bar...." "kyokos mom was satchko. cool lady. g..." "I love in camp schwab old camp henok..." View Comments...
enlarge 304KB, 1024x714 327 YARBZ SANDELL AND ONE SQDBAY OKI 1024
enlarge 235KB, 1024x661 328 VIEW FROM SUPPLU OKI 1024
enlarge 263KB, 1024x671 329 PARTY AT SCHWAB OKINAWA 2 1024
enlarge 263KB, 1024x576 330 OKINAWAN WOMEN WITH KIDS 1024 "Yes..it is Henoko.. I will send proo..." View Comments...
enlarge 243KB, 1024x671 331 BUMGARDNER IN OKI SQDBAY
enlarge 252KB, 1024x692 332 BUMGARDNER IN SUPPLY OKI
enlarge 291KB, 1024x675 333 BUMGARDNER OKI W NAIL CLIPPERS
enlarge 305KB, 1024x670 334 BUMGARDNER OUT OF FOCUS OKI
enlarge 285KB, 1024x599 517 BARRACKS FORT PICKETT proc
enlarge 271KB, 1024x675 518 CPL YARBZ FORT PICKETT 2
enlarge 319KB, 673x1024 519 CPL YARBZ FORT PICKETT
enlarge 183KB, 1024x672 520 DESK IN ICKETT CANADIAN HIPPY
enlarge 175KB, 1024x673 521 FEET ON DESL PICKETT
enlarge 175KB, 1024x673 522 DUDE WITH KKK ON SHEET I shot everything that I saw. This person was a Southern guy and probably did have racist beliefs but I cannot say for sure. I do remember he did this jokingly but it was not a good idea. This was 1982ish.