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Vickers Pedersen (Part 2)
(Mfg by Vickers-Armstrongs Ltd., Crayford, Kent, England)
"Autoloader PB" Rifle - Serial # 5
"Selfloader PA" Rifle - Serial # 185
"Selfloader PA" Carbine - Serial # 243

Caliber: .............................. 0.276 in.
Rifling & Twist: ................... 6 Grooves, 1 turn in 9 in.
Rifle Barrel Length: ............. 24 in. (610 mm)
Carbine Barrel Length: ........ 22 in. (560 mm)
Rifle Overall Length: ............ 44 in.  (1118 mm)
Carbine Overall Length: ....... 42 (1067 mm)
Rifle Weight: ...................... 9 lbs. (4.08 Kg)
Carbine Weight: ................. 8.5 lbs. (3.86 Kg)
Magazine Capacity: ............. 10
Qty Mfg: ............................ 200+ rifles and a few carbines

Source... "The Gas Trap Garand", by Billy Pyle 1999
Source... "Handbook of the Pedersen Self-Loading Rifle, Model P.A.", by Vickers Armstrong Limited
Source... "Guns of the Empire, Firearms of the British Soldier 1837-1987", by George Markham 1990
Source... "Automatic Arms, Their History, Development and Use", Melvin M. Johnson Jr. and Charles T. Haven, 1941
Source... "Hatcher's Book of the Garand", Major General Julian S. Hatcher, 1948

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Top - Autoloader PB, Rifle, Serial # 5. Middle - Selfloader PA, Rifle, Serial # 185. Bottom - Selfloader PA, Carbine, Serial # 243. Shown with correct P -'13 bayonet, en-bloc clips and slings.

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Probably the the first occasion since manufacture that this extremely rare group of firearms have been brought together for photography.

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Classic Pedersen question answered at last. "Which clip goes in which rifle?" Autoloader PB uses the non-reversible clip. Selfloader PA models use the reversible clip.

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Another question answered, "Are the clips interchangeable?" No. Clips from U.S. Pedersen models probably won't work in the Vickers models either.

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Inscription on a previously almost unknown Vickers-Pedersen model, the Autoloader PB Rifle, Serial # 5. One of a total of only 13 rifles and carbines made.

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Inscription on a Vickers-Pedersen Selfloader PA Rifle, Serial # 185. This the most "common" of the group and the subject of Part One of this article.

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Inscription on a Vickers-Pedersen, Selfloader PA Carbine, Serial # 243, one of the world's rarest carbines.

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Autoloader PB, Rifle, Serial # 5. Pedersen's first model to be produced by Vickers.

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Selfloader PA, Rifle, Serial # 185. The second, improved, Vickers-Pedersen model that went into limited production.

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Selfloader PA, Carbine, Serial # 243. Shorter fore-end and barrel, otherwise identical to the PA Rifle.

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Autoloader PB, Rifle, Serial # 5. Utilization of non-reversible clip a major drawback.

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Selfloader PA, Rifle, Serial # 185. Ability to eject a partially filled, now reversible clip, were big steps forward.

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Selfloader PA, Carbine, Serial # 243. Actual production numbers unknown at present, but seems to be considerably rarer than the rifle.

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Autoloader PB, Rifle, Serial # 5. Rarest model rifle of a very rare breed of Vickers manufactured arms.

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Autoloader PB, Rifle, Serial # 5, an almost forgotten variant of the Pedersen until Mr. Magee brought it to light with his submission to the American Rifleman magazine

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Autoloader PB rifle above the next rifle in the model sequence, the Selfloader PA, with their distinctive, non-reversible and reversible , en-bloc clips.

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Apart from the slings and clips, the Autoloader PB  is almost identical to the Selfloader PB below it, but there are three external differences.

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Other than wear, the right side of the receivers  of these PB and PA models are the same.

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The stock bolt is in a higher location, with a different type of nut, on the Autoloader PB rifle.

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The lower band retaining spring was switched from the left side on the Autoloader PB model to the right side on the Selfloader PA model.

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Autoloader PB, Rifle, Serial # 5, shows evidence of extensive firing.

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Top of conrod, (middle flat section), shows the results of many ejected cases bouncing off it during testing. Also visible is notch in fore-end not found on PA models.

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Two rectangular wear marks on slide are evidence of many stops against the receiver bosses that also support the rear sight.

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Well-used condition of rifle, as received from the Vickers Museum, supports theory of its use for function tests. Groove in fore-end receiver well obvious.

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Selfloader PA, Carbine, Serial # 243, a refined version of the cavalry carbine originally required for the U.S. trials.

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Selfloader PB, Carbine, Serial # 243, beautiful, but, surprisingly, only two inches shorter and a scant half pound lighter than the rifle.

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Selfloader PB, Carbine, Serial # 243, arguably as elegant as any commercial sporting arm.

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Selfloader PB, Carbine, Serial # 243. Like all the Pedersen models, simple controls, sophisticated design.

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Selfloader PB, Carbine. Serial # 243 almost struck a bit too low on the receiver.

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Shortening the fore-end on the carbine required the band retaining spring to be relocated behind the band.

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The Pedersen carbine continued a classic, bare barrel, short fore-end configuration that is still popular today in commercial products.

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Selfloader PA, Carbine, Serial # 243, with top of action showing the wear of occasional use and lack of notch in fore-end. (Compare to pic 22.)

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Selfloader PA, Carbine, Serial # 243, an odd exercise in arms production, considering the military had already decided on an intermediate length rifle for all services.

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Selfloader PA, Carbine, Serial # 243, with receiver markings exactly the same as the rifle.

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Only known specimen of a possible trials bayonet that fits both the Pedersen and P-'14 rifle.
Unmarked, with origin unknown at present. Photo courtesy of Martin Cook.

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Great article, I have the PB model serial # 12 and appears like new. When I got it, it appeared unfired. I have since put 20 rounds thru it.
samnev, Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:18AM
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