These are pictures of our house. This house was built in 1998 by Dennis Godshall of Harleysville, PA. The house was not quite 7 years old when these were taken. We started to suspect we had a problem because the rooms inside developed a musty smell - we traced the smell to around the electrical outlets, so we knew it was something inside the walls. We could not see any leaks, but a moisture meter did detect moisture in the walls at multiple spots. You can see that due to multiple construction defects (including defective stucco, incorrect window installation, and improper grading), the house was literally rotting to pieces beneath an exterior that appeared to be fine. Not even our contractor expected the damage to be as extensive as what they found.
This photo album will document the before, during, and after pictures of the repair process. Note that we start the story with lots of background - if you're just after the gory details, skip to picture 15. You can page through the pictures using the "Next" or "Show All" links on the left side below this message.
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Date(s): September 30, 2005. 1 - 30 of 410 Total. 170471 Visits.
1 Our House - Summer 2005 This is our house. It was built in November 1998, but we bought it from the first owner in July 2002. The previous owner was selling because her husband had passed away and she didn't want to stay there without him.
The house was designed to look like a 200 year old stucco over stone farmhouse. It has a true 3-coat stucco exterior and a cedar roof. We added the screen porch on the right side of the house a year ago. "This house looks much older. It really looks like it ..." "I read a comment made to hire a structural engineer, ..." View Comments...
2 Left Side We bought the house at the height of a hot market, and in order to compete, we waived the home inspection (thinking the house was only 3 years old - what could be wrong?) We did have an inspection a few months after moving in because we were concerned about a few things, including cracks and stains in the stucco. The home inspector found nothing major wrong and passed the house with flying colors.
This is the left side of the house. The bottom right window is our dining room. The top right window is the master bedroom. The "addition" on the back (with the tall brick chimney) is the family room. The brick chimney vents our family room fireplace.
3 Back Of House This is the back of the house.
4 Right Side The 2nd story windows are my kids' bedrooms. The one on the left is my son's, and the right one is my daughter's. The small windows up top are to the attic. This chimney vents the 2 furnaces and the living room fireplace.
5 This is the left bottom window on the front of the house. Shortly after we bought the house, we noticed that some of the windows had window trim that seemed to be slightly rotted, and some of the windows had water stains. Our home inspector told us this was normal, and that we needed to caulk the trim - a simple maintenance procedure. "The staining on lime finish stucco is VERY common.The..." View Comments...
6 This is the worst staining It's on the dining room window above the bilco doors on the Left Side of the house. As you'll see shortly, the wall behind this window was essentially falling apart from moisture intrusion and rot, yet our inspector pronounced this kind of stain "normal" and said we needed to caulk.
Incidentally, we can't sue the inspector because our contract with him says all suits must be filed within a year after the inspection. It took us 2 years to find this. Bummer, huh?
So in spring 2005, we started smelling a musty smell (like wet dirt) in several rooms. The master bedroom, our son's room, the laundry room, and the family room were the worst, but we could smell it in just about every room. We traced the smell to the electrical outlets - if we took the plates off, we could smell it coming out of the walls. The screws inside the outlet boxes (that held the outlet to the box) were all rusty as well. "California home inspectors are actually bond by state..." "I'm a Level II Thermographer, a certified ASHI Home I..." View Comments...
7 Drip Cap We had a mold inspector out who confirmed that the smell indicated that there was moisture and mold in the wall cavities. We contacted a moisture intrusion specialist who came out and immediately pointed the finger at our stucco.
He said that stucco over wood framing was vulnerable to cracking and moisture intrusion, and that OSB, the sheathing they used behind our stucco, is very susceptible to rot and mold. He said that even the tiny "superficial" cracks in our stucco can wick in huge amounts of water, and that since we have no weep screed, there is no way for water to drain out once it gets in.
He also noted details like the drip caps over our windows - note that there's no metal flashing, so only a layer of caulk keeps the water out. This cap should also be sloped to drain water - it's not. Water collects on the surface and drips into the wall through any gap in the caulk.
8 Cracked Caulk Here is what happens when the caulk fails above the drip caps. We had had the trim painted in May 2004, but the painters missed caulking the top of this window. This crack was wide open, letting water pour onto the OSB behind the stucco. If there was metal flashing either on top of or behind this drip cap, the water would have stayed out.
9 Exploratory Surgery To confirm our suspicions that the lack of head flashing over the windows was the problem, we pulled off the wood trim around the window with the worst staining (the one you see in picture 6). Here's what we found. The OSB was completely shot - I could stick my finger through it. The black is rotten wood, the white is mold. Yum.
At this point, we decided the best course of action was to remove the stucco, repair the damage, and reside the house in Hardieplank fiber-cement siding. We hoped this would keep the historical look (it looks like wood clapboard) but eliminate the moisture intrusion problems with the stucco.
We got a bunch of quotes and ended up going with a builder who was going to charge $30K for removing the stucco, installing the Hardieplank, and replacing all the wood window trim with Azek (a PVC composite material that looks like wood but doesn't rot). Any sheathing or structural repairs would be done at additional cost for time and materials. "You can also see that the window opening was not wrap..." View Comments...
10 Where's the plaster stop? Up close, you can see that the wood trim was installed completely wrong. The window was nailed to the sheathing, a layer of 30-lb felt was placed over the nail fin, the wood trim was not backprimed and was nailed directly over the felt. Then the stucco was brought up to the wood trim, touching it. There should be a metal stop bead between the stucco and the wood - otherwise the porous stucco just dumps moisture into the wood. Once the wood trim got wet enough (remember, it wasn't backprimed, so it soaked up the water like a sponge), it just held the water against the felt paper until it degraded the felt and rotted the OSB. "On much older houses,the stucco always butted up to t..." View Comments...
11 Porch Roof Flashing At this point, we also decided to repair some other issues during the reside. All of our copper porch roof flashings were done incorrectly and had leaked at one point or another - we had fixed them with caulk, but they really needed to be torn off and redone. Note how the window over the porch is installed touching the roof - there is no way to properly flash an installation like this, and so we decided to replace all the windows that touched a porch roof with shorter windows, adding another $3K to the bill. The flashing around the brick chimney and parts of the cedar roof over the family room were also bad, and during heavy rains, we would have to put buckets in our fireplace to catch the water. So we're replacing the roof and flashing on that section. What the heck - it's only money, right?
12 Typical porch roof flashing Note the sheer amount of caulk it took to make this stop leaking. Also note how nicely they NAILED through the flashing, then covered it up with gutter seal caulk. Very professional, no?
13 Another view of the porch roof The tops of the standing seams are not folded over and covered with flashing. And they aren't soldered....they're held together with more gutter caulk.
14 Family Room Roof Intersection This is how the roof of the family room meets the wall of the main house. Note that the stucco comes all the way down and touches the cedar shake shingles - there is no plaster stop. Bad bad bad....
15 Let the Fun Begin....September 2005 Now it's time to tear off the stucco and see what really lies beneath. We're starting on the left side of the house (see picture 2 above).
OK, so when the tearoff began, we expected to find areas of rot below every window (thanks to the lack of head flashing and j-bead around the trim). We thought there might be a little bit of rot under some of the bigger cracks. We were not prepared for the whole wall to be rotten, but that is what we found. This is the area below the 2nd story window to the left of the porch on the left side of the house. We expected the line of rot directly under the edge of the top window, but we have no idea why the corner is rotted so badly.
16 Further down the wall This is the area next to and below the lower window in the previous picture. The further down the wall, the more rot. Here the OSB just flaked off if you touched it. As the contractor was using a prybar on the stucco, it was sinking through the OSB.
Oh, and did I mention that the grading was done wrong as well? Because the stucco continued directly down from the framing over the foundation with no weep screed, it was impossible to tell from the exterior where the foundation stopped and framing began. When they did the final grading, they buried the rim joist partially in the dirt. This is what happens when you bury a rim joist.
17 Another view of that corner Here's another view of the corner you saw in the previous picture. Note the difference in color in the OSB that was protected by the porch overhang vs. the areas that weren't. While the OSB to the right of the window is not rotted through, it has definitely been exposed to moisture - it's puffy and discolored. We're not sure if it will stay or go yet.
18 Rake Wall - Where's the kickout flashing? This is the wall immediately to the left around the corner of the wall you just saw. This wall is a rake wall - it has the gable of the adjoining family room addition meeting it. Where the roofline meets the wall, there is supposed to be a kickout flashing that diverts the water coming down that joint out and away from the wall - we had none. Therefore, all the water running off the roof where it was flashed into the wall was channeled behind the stucco. Behind the plywood are some lovely gaping holes, so what you are seeing is actually the GOOD part of this wall.
19 Better View of the Rake Wall Here you can see how the rot starts a little above the roofline and continues down that whole wall and around the corner. A 10-cent piece of metal flashing and 2 seconds to install it could have prevented this. The square of new tarpaper is up there to keep water that runs off the roof now from gushing into the gaping holes in the wall.
20 Oh Wait - THERE'S the kickout flashing My contractor put it in ... 7 years too late.
This is only temporary - that whole roof is getting replaced, with all new flashings into the gable wall.
21 Entire Rake Wall - Another Mystery Here is anothe view of the rake wall. The rot in the previous picture is mostly hidden behind the bush at the bottom of the window. But why all that discoloration in the peak? Note that the discoloration is present everywhere except very close under the eaves - again indicating that the stucco exposed to any kind of rain was just leaking like heck. Was it cracked? Just too porous? Your guess is as good as mine!
Note too the line of rot running horizontally to the left of the window, right behind the scaffolding. Again, why there? It seems to begin at the gap in the OSB sheets and run downwards. There is a master bedroom shower a few feet to the left of the window and the vent fan runs horizonatally through the ceiling above the window - perhaps this is some kind of condensation thing from the attic if the vent duct is leaking? But the damage seems to originate from the outside in. Who knows?? Suggestions are welcome - add your comments below! "This is most likely caused by the tar paper or draina..." View Comments...
22 Family Room East Wall Moving around the corner from the rake wall, we come to the family room wall on the left side of the house. This wall is actually semi-ok - the OSB is discolored, but solid, at least til you get to the lower part of the wall. The part behind the bush is kind of trashed. Note that the eaves protected the OSB at the top - it is only the lower part where the rain would have hit it more that is discolored. "You would be surprised how many houses we do that the..." "I was going to say looks like it got wet during const..." View Comments...
23 On the other hand... Moving to the other side of the left side porch, things aren't so pretty. This is the window from picture #6 - the one we did the exploratory surgery on. Things are bad here -- so bad that the window started falling out of the wall as they were pulling sheathing. The studs behind it are gone gone gone...
24 Where's the stud? See, I told you they were gone.
25 Northeast corner - master bedroom subfloor This is the area above and to the right of the window from the last picture. The corner is very rotten - 2nd floor ribbon board is gone and the subfloor is rotten - we're hoping it's just the bit under the sill and we won't need to pull up the hardwood floors in the bedroom. The stud in the corner of the house needs to be replaced as well. We're going to try to save the other studs, but they may need to be sistered (the outside inch or so is so rotten I don't think it would hold the nails for the new sheathing. All the insulation you see here is soaked - this is the first spot where the insulation is wet (amazingly, despite all the rot in the other pics, the insulation was dry as a bone).
Incidentally, the musty smell was the worst here in the master bedroom, along this wall. So based on my not-exactly-scientifically-proven "stink scale", this should be as bad as it gets. We hope.
26 A Distance Shot Here's a distance shot of the area to the left of the left side porch. You can see that the whole wall is basically gone, except for the area protected by the eaves.
27 How bout some closeups? This is a closeup of the 2nd story ribbon board. That big hole right in the middle? My contractor hollowed that out WITH HIS HAND. You can reach right through it into the floor joist cavity.
I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that this house is NOT EVEN 7 YEARS OLD!!! "All along, I've noticed that your windows, at the sil..." View Comments...
28 This is the rim joist in the bottom right corner All rotten. Once again, the combination of bad grading (look how close the dirt is to the framing) and the lack of weep screeds in the stucco (thus, no way for water that gets behind the stucco to get out) has done in the rim joist and sill plate.
29 Let's pause and review This is what the left side of my house looked like on Tuesday....
30 Pause & Review part 2 ...and this is what it looks like on Friday.
But wait...there's more! Follow the "Next 30" link below.
Speechless at how much you went through. But I guess there is no other way. About to buy a house with front stucco (just the front wall under the porch and the second level dormans wall). Bottom part is separating but otherwise looks OK. The too part around the dorman windows are rotting. Unsure what to do. I'm so scared of getting something like yours. The house has been this way for 17-18 years without any significant problem at all. Here to hoping it will be OK. - Lana Ngoc Phan, Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:41AM
Amazing journey. I am glad you survived this. Thank you for naming names, and I hope that saves other people all the grief you experienced. It was very kind of you not to sue the original owner and I hope you benefit from that good karma. Your house looks amazing now. - Lisa, Sun, 27 Jul 2014 7:53AM
Great information. I have been searching musty smells and came across your site. We have owned our house for 10 years. It's approximately 20-25 years old. We bought from orginal owners. No stucco. We did not ask for an inspection (bad on our part). While waiting for our closing, it had rained alot. My husband had called the previous owners and spoke with the man and asked how wet the property was. The man was right down rude to my husband on the phone. That should have been a hint something was wrong. He even suggested to my husband to cancel the loan. We should have done that. But we didn't. The day we got the keys to our house, we were checking things out and found the cabinet under the kitchen sink was rotten. We called and asked them about it and he said they didn't think it was any big deal. Really! We had water standing in our crawl space so we hired the Basement Doctor and spent $10,000. We spent another $10,000 trying to fix the natural springs on the hillside. A couple of years ago, we could smell a musty smell in one of our closets, we had a repairman take the siding off the back side of the house and it was all rotten. I can't stand the musty smell. I don't know if putting a sani-dry system in our crawl space will help or not. I am sure it's too late for me to sue the previous owners. Where do I start? - Sherri, Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:19AM
I was looking around for a way to stop that yucky musty/moldy smell from our small leak under the kitchen sink (where we knew there had been other, previous-owner leaks too from water stains on the foundation wall foundation in the crawl space), and found this site. Amazing. I did learn a lot. What an ordeal. I'm sorry you had to go through it. My parents went through their own ordeal in OK where that builder did not properly put pilings into the clay soil there, so their garage is separating from the rest of the house, and again, no luck from that lawsuit for negligence either, and insurance offer so low it was laughable. Builder went out of business, but I'm sure he's at it again, by now. It's been a few years. - Amy, Sat, 12 Jul 2014 9:06PM
I wanted to cry for you. Dennis Godshall is a piece of ****. I hope karma never ever lets him rest. I hope he gets his times 100. This wasn't just negligence. This was willful negligence. And he says he's an architect from Temple??? Good God Temple must put out some stupid people if they gave this evil incompetent a degree. - lynne, Sat, 28 Jun 2014 1:44PM
Wow. I was only looking to find a way to seal a tiny leak in an old copper watering can. Yours is a fascinating saga and of course I'm so sorry you had to go through with it. Thank you for your diligent and detailed documentation. I will forward this to my friends who are builders and contractors. Please keep this site live. Thanks so much. - Michael Schnoebelen, Mon, 9 Jun 2014 4:39PM
Howdy from Texas! I so appreciate your extremely well documented home ordeal. I'm very sorry for all that you and yours went through to arrive at your "American Dream". It sounds like you handled yourself and all the challenges with dignity and a sense of humor, which I'm sure was hard to do either at certain times. I pray this finds you and your beautiful home all in good health.
Please keep this site up for all to experience and may God continue His blessing on us all. - Shawna in Texas, Fri, 21 Mar 2014 6:47PM
I am so sorry for what you experienced. As we shop for a home, we've seen insides of houses that look spectacular at the same time water has destroyed their (criminally crappy) stucco exteriors. We're lucky to have a very good inspector. I wish everyone had such a good inspector. - Twix, Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:15AM
I found your site/blog researching copper roofs etc. After looking at every picture, even though it's your house, I want to kill myself! LOL. Oh my word, I don't know how you survived it all. Thankfully it does seem to have a happy ending. Cheers. - Patrick K, Sat, 7 Sep 2013 4:49PM
First off, thank you for your documentation! I hope this stays up forever. It's the best documentation I've ever seen for stucco houses!
My wife and I purchased a stucco house in 2009 after looking at 50+ other houses. The house was built in 2000 and it met everything we wanted. Slightly before we purchased our front-loading washer & drier we noticed a musky sewage smell. I think that has to do with the drainage. We've also noticed a distinct musky/mildewy smell in the main foyer of the house in the in-between seasons like you mentioned. We however run the HVAC fan all the time. This is the only area of the house we smell it.
I'm going to try your outlet test and PRAY I don't smell anything. If I do, I think my heart & stomach will sink even more than it already has while reading your article. I have noticed some cracks in the stucco, but never thought anything of it. Now I'm terrified! We were looking at moving in the next year, but this will land us here permanently for a long time if this same damage has occurred.
It appears badstucco's site is in disarray these days. Like it was forgotten.